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Charlie Savage

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

Well, for me and my colleagues like Helene Cooper and Eric Schmidt, who cover the Pentagon, and Julian Barnes, also who covers intelligence, we've all been working on this a lot together.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

It starts in August when we picked up chatter and were able to confirm that Trump had secretly signed an order in late July directing the military to use military force, that is to target with lethal force,

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

suspected drug smugglers from groups that his administration had designated as terrorists.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

Normally, when Trump does something like that, he touts it, he puts it up on the Internet, he signs it with a flourish in front of cameras.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

It was very unusual that this was happening without any publicity.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And so throughout August, we were watching as, number one, an enormous amount of naval firepower was moved into the South Caribbean Sea.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And as the Trump administration ratcheted up its rhetorical attacks on Venezuela's government, its strongman president, Nicolas Maduro, they kept calling him a cartel leader, illegitimate, etc., suggesting the focus was going to be Venezuelan.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And soon after, on his social media platform, he posted a description of this strike.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

He said he killed 11 people who were aboard the vessel, which he said was smuggling drugs on behalf of the Tren de Aragua Venezuelan gang, which he had designated as terrorists.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And there was a video from different views of aerial surveillance showing a boat on water

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

not clear exactly who or what is on board, and then it explodes.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And the scale of the death, 11 people, was also very striking because a boat that is smuggling cargo, one of these sort of go-fast boats, does not need a crew of 11.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

That just takes up space.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

You could put more drugs on the boat if that's indeed what was happening.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And so it also immediately raised questions about who was actually on this boat, how good the intelligence was.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

Was there some security?

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

human trafficking going on too, some migrants or something on the boat who had nothing to do with drugs and were also now killed.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

But it was clear at that point that this secret order we had written about and this buildup of forces in the Caribbean Sea had now been used for the first time.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

Well, there was no evidence.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

There was just an assertion.