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Charlie Savage

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And then there was this oddity of why are there so many people on this boat?

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And there was immediately a reaction among...

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

Experts in the law of armed conflict, retired senior judge advocate general officers who used to be in charge of telling the military stories.

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

where the limits lay and what was permissible in terms of using force.

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And a hallmark of the entire ethos is you do not deliberately target civilians, even criminal suspects, unless they are directly participating in hostilities.

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And the Trump administration has not put out a detailed legal rationale for how this isn't just murder.

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

They've gestured at the outlines of a rationale.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

They have said that

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

at a time in which 100,000 Americans a year die from drug overdoses, Trump has the authority to lawfully decide that the criminal problem of drug smuggling and drug trafficking is essentially an armed attack on the United States, that the United States can use military force in self-defense,

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

against drug trafficking and that, therefore, he has constitutional authority to kill these people.

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

At this point, all we have is for the first attack, especially September 2nd, is President Trump's assertion that the intelligence was confident that this boat was carrying drugs that would eventually be bound for the United States.

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

Further complicating that is just because if there are drugs on a boat, just because they're leaving one country down there doesn't necessarily mean they're bound for here, that

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

It looked like it was going to Trinidad and Tobago from Venezuela, and that's often a transshipment point to Europe.

The Daily
The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

In any case, all we have is Trump saying, we have recordings, we know it was on the boat.

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

Take our word for it.

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And then it turns out that the video he released, which shows a boat moving in the water and then blown apart, is not the whole story because it was edited.

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

And the people who had been briefed on the unedited video said,

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

say that number one, the boat

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

had turned around before the United States military attacked it.

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The U.S. Keeps Killing Venezuelans on Boats. Is That Legal?

It had apparently seen an aircraft kind of stalking it and gotten freaked out, whoever was piloting the boat, and turned around and was pointed back towards Venezuela.