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Charlie Savage

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

This is the power of the Office of Legal Counsel within the Justice Department.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

And we saw an earlier round of this 20 years ago when, after 9-11, the Bush administration had in its Office of Legal Counsel a lawyer named John Yoo who had an idiosyncratically broad view of executive power that most people thought was wrong.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

And under his view, the president could authorize anything he thought was necessary to protect national security.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

Things like wiretapping without warrants, torturing prisoners.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

These memos are later rescinded.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

But they were there while this stuff was happening.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

And when Eric Holder, the liberal attorney general under Barack Obama, comes in in 2009 and opens a criminal investigation case,

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

into the treatment of detainees by the CIA under the Bush administration because of this problem of the OLC's assurances at the time.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

He says...

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

We are only going to look at actions that went beyond the guidance that was blessed by the OLC.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

So the OLC said you can waterboard people and you waterboarded people.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

Even if everyone else says drowning people is torture and it's illegal, the OLC said it was okay.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

We're not going to prosecute you for that.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

Now, the catch, of course, and this is where we circle back to this conversation about the second strike, is the memo says, apparently,

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

because this is supposedly an armed conflict, strikes that comport with the law of war, the law of armed conflict, are permissible.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

The second missile strike in the first attack, which kills the shipwrecked survivors of the first missile strike, arguably does not comport with the law of armed conflict.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

And so that's one place where this particular strike, as opposed to all the others...

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

might be more vulnerable to later legal scrutiny.

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

Because especially if there's evidence

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Did a U.S. Boat Strike Amount to a War Crime?

that Admiral Bradley's specific intent was to target the still living crew members as opposed to the boat or the supposed cargo.