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Charlie Warzel

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
493 total appearances

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The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

really heavily its algorithms are pushing people in this way that they don't really notice right they don't really totally understand it's all of a sudden unintended consequences this is my classical oak shoddy and small c conservatism coming out you know you make a big change like this you don't exactly know what's going to come out the back end and and i think you know you saw the sort of logical endpoint of all of that right was like

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

really heavily its algorithms are pushing people in this way that they don't really notice right they don't really totally understand it's all of a sudden unintended consequences this is my classical oak shoddy and small c conservatism coming out you know you make a big change like this you don't exactly know what's going to come out the back end and and i think you know you saw the sort of logical endpoint of all of that right was like

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

Facebook's architecture was perfectly suited in 2020, late 2020, November, December 2020, to allow tens of thousands of people to gather around the Stop the Steal movement. Like if you remember on November, whatever, 6th or something, 2020, like I was watching the stop the steal Facebook group. Somebody like in early in the morning was like, Hey, you should check this out.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

Facebook's architecture was perfectly suited in 2020, late 2020, November, December 2020, to allow tens of thousands of people to gather around the Stop the Steal movement. Like if you remember on November, whatever, 6th or something, 2020, like I was watching the stop the steal Facebook group. Somebody like in early in the morning was like, Hey, you should check this out.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

Facebook's architecture was perfectly suited in 2020, late 2020, November, December 2020, to allow tens of thousands of people to gather around the Stop the Steal movement. Like if you remember on November, whatever, 6th or something, 2020, like I was watching the stop the steal Facebook group. Somebody like in early in the morning was like, Hey, you should check this out.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

This like election denying group has like 15,000 members. And then I went by the time I looked at it, six minutes later, it had 50,000 members. And it's like, that shit doesn't happen. If you don't make a series of changes from 2018 all the way through to try to get, you know, uncle Jim and aunt Sally into knitting groups and, you know, rotary club meetings and whatever it's, Oops.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

This like election denying group has like 15,000 members. And then I went by the time I looked at it, six minutes later, it had 50,000 members. And it's like, that shit doesn't happen. If you don't make a series of changes from 2018 all the way through to try to get, you know, uncle Jim and aunt Sally into knitting groups and, you know, rotary club meetings and whatever it's, Oops.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

This like election denying group has like 15,000 members. And then I went by the time I looked at it, six minutes later, it had 50,000 members. And it's like, that shit doesn't happen. If you don't make a series of changes from 2018 all the way through to try to get, you know, uncle Jim and aunt Sally into knitting groups and, you know, rotary club meetings and whatever it's, Oops.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And so it's just like, I think that they make these... We met book clubs. We met book clubs, not insurrection. And so it's like this kind of stuff has the potential for these really large kind of gnarly changes because there are billions of people on this platform. And like if there's one thing covering Facebook for as long as I have or meta or whatever we're calling it,

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And so it's just like, I think that they make these... We met book clubs. We met book clubs, not insurrection. And so it's like this kind of stuff has the potential for these really large kind of gnarly changes because there are billions of people on this platform. And like if there's one thing covering Facebook for as long as I have or meta or whatever we're calling it,

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

And so it's just like, I think that they make these... We met book clubs. We met book clubs, not insurrection. And so it's like this kind of stuff has the potential for these really large kind of gnarly changes because there are billions of people on this platform. And like if there's one thing covering Facebook for as long as I have or meta or whatever we're calling it,

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

is this idea that like they are so naive or act at least so naive as to how people like actually use the internet. Like there's every time they talk about these changes in the way it works, it is always around the knitting club or just two people getting together, shaking hands and breaking bread and, you know, talking kitchen table issues and,

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

is this idea that like they are so naive or act at least so naive as to how people like actually use the internet. Like there's every time they talk about these changes in the way it works, it is always around the knitting club or just two people getting together, shaking hands and breaking bread and, you know, talking kitchen table issues and,

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

is this idea that like they are so naive or act at least so naive as to how people like actually use the internet. Like there's every time they talk about these changes in the way it works, it is always around the knitting club or just two people getting together, shaking hands and breaking bread and, you know, talking kitchen table issues and,

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

Or a bunch of guys in a room in Malaysia with 186 smartphones hooked up to a thing, like basically reposting each other's generative AI shrimp, Jesus, Facebook spam to trick grandma and grandpa into thinking that, you know, I don't even know what, but it's like people go on the internet.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

Or a bunch of guys in a room in Malaysia with 186 smartphones hooked up to a thing, like basically reposting each other's generative AI shrimp, Jesus, Facebook spam to trick grandma and grandpa into thinking that, you know, I don't even know what, but it's like people go on the internet.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

Or a bunch of guys in a room in Malaysia with 186 smartphones hooked up to a thing, like basically reposting each other's generative AI shrimp, Jesus, Facebook spam to trick grandma and grandpa into thinking that, you know, I don't even know what, but it's like people go on the internet.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

I have this like theory, which is called like the toilet theory of the internet, which is that like most things that you see that either delight you and rage you, whatever that are just posts by a human being are, we're probably like typed out with two thumbs on the toilet by somebody else. Like, The internet is wonderful, it's horrible, but it's also just really quotidian.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

I have this like theory, which is called like the toilet theory of the internet, which is that like most things that you see that either delight you and rage you, whatever that are just posts by a human being are, we're probably like typed out with two thumbs on the toilet by somebody else. Like, The internet is wonderful, it's horrible, but it's also just really quotidian.

The Bulwark Podcast
Charlie Warzel: Zuck Sucks Up to Trump

I have this like theory, which is called like the toilet theory of the internet, which is that like most things that you see that either delight you and rage you, whatever that are just posts by a human being are, we're probably like typed out with two thumbs on the toilet by somebody else. Like, The internet is wonderful, it's horrible, but it's also just really quotidian.