Charlotte Uhlenbroek

At first, you know, I was just a caretaker.

Soon after, an infant chimp called Nim arrived.

He had been part of a world-famous sign language experiment.

His arrival was going to change Bob's life forever.

Yes, at four years old in the wild, a chimp would still be constantly with their mother.

So what kind of relationship did you form with Nim?

So can you tell me a defining moment in your life when something snapped and your life as an activist began?

Things were about to get much worse.

So, Lemsip, the facility where chimps were infected with human diseases.

Can you describe to me how you think Nymph felt suddenly going to Lemsip and his whole life being turned around?

Lemsip was known for invasive biomedical research on chimps and other non-human primates.

Doug Cohn started working there in 1988, fresh out of veterinary school.

And tell me why you first joined Lemsip.

And what was your main research there?

So can you describe what it was like to learn that the tests on the chimps didn't actually work?

Can you explain the three R's principle to me?

And is it something you subscribe to?

And do you think that animal rights campaigners have actually played a really positive role because by pushing for better animal welfare, there's much more rigorous oversight and that's led in many cases to better science?

Dr. Lisa Jones-Engel, who would play a part in Sheba's life, also began her career in biomedical research at LEMSIP.

I was going to be a scientist.