Chase Jarvis

And we've been able to demonstrate that over now seven years.

Yep.

And then I think that's, and if I press you further, I'm guessing that if your experience was like most of the other folks that they had, they were treated like a rock star.

They had, you know, fantastic accommodations and travel and the experience when they're in studio, there's someone who's assigned to you.

Basically it's like your, your, um, your personal sort of connection to creative live and people love that experience.

Now to get to the question you had about the moat, um, creative lives moat is our talent.

because we are unequivocally where the best in the world hang their hat.

And two, our production values are off the charts.

So we make you look great.

That comes from my background as a creator and the 120 people who go to work every day at CreativeLive focused on making something extraordinary.

It's actually education.

It's not just some YouTube video or not taking a celebrity who doesn't give a shit about teaching and try and pretend to get them to teach.

uh i think that's a shot i think they've got a great business but i think that is a that is a that is a challenge that they face and will continue to face recognizable names that can't teach yeah they're i mean i've photographed serena i know her she doesn't love teaching he doesn't care about it yeah she's a great tennis player obviously the best in the world the history of the sport but i know also that she you

If she could get offset as fast as possible, she'd do that in a second.

Thank you.

We take great pride in presenting and a great experience to you such that you can be your best on camera for your audience.

your fans and our fans.

And also we have a big audience.

We can add value to you and what you're making because we're good at marketing where a lot of individual folks who are trying to make their own classes or courses, they really struggle.

Bootstrapped or have you raised capital?