Chris Arnold
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Right. The government argued that agencies made their own decisions. The firings were proper. But the judge, again, said, quote, you know, I tend to doubt that you're telling me the truth at that point. The White House is unamused by all of this.
White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt said in a statement, quote, a single judge is attempting to unconstitutionally seize the power of hiring and firing from the executive branch. The administration has now appealed, but now it's not a single judge. Last night, this ruling came down in the second case. The judge sided with Democratic State Attorneys General.
White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt said in a statement, quote, a single judge is attempting to unconstitutionally seize the power of hiring and firing from the executive branch. The administration has now appealed, but now it's not a single judge. Last night, this ruling came down in the second case. The judge sided with Democratic State Attorneys General.
White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt said in a statement, quote, a single judge is attempting to unconstitutionally seize the power of hiring and firing from the executive branch. The administration has now appealed, but now it's not a single judge. Last night, this ruling came down in the second case. The judge sided with Democratic State Attorneys General.
They put a 14-day stay in place on these mass firings. The government there had argued that the states didn't have standing and hadn't been harmed by the firings. Interestingly, though, we should say both judges said, look, we understand the government has a right to do a reduction in force, but it has to follow the law.
They put a 14-day stay in place on these mass firings. The government there had argued that the states didn't have standing and hadn't been harmed by the firings. Interestingly, though, we should say both judges said, look, we understand the government has a right to do a reduction in force, but it has to follow the law.
They put a 14-day stay in place on these mass firings. The government there had argued that the states didn't have standing and hadn't been harmed by the firings. Interestingly, though, we should say both judges said, look, we understand the government has a right to do a reduction in force, but it has to follow the law.
I mean, one thing I've been struck by is that these are not all new hires. I mean, these are probationary workers, but a lot of them have been working in an agency for 10 years, say, and they're probationary because they just got a new job that they just got promoted. I talked to an employment attorney, Michelle Berkovich, about this. She's working on another effort to reinstate workers.
I mean, one thing I've been struck by is that these are not all new hires. I mean, these are probationary workers, but a lot of them have been working in an agency for 10 years, say, and they're probationary because they just got a new job that they just got promoted. I talked to an employment attorney, Michelle Berkovich, about this. She's working on another effort to reinstate workers.
I mean, one thing I've been struck by is that these are not all new hires. I mean, these are probationary workers, but a lot of them have been working in an agency for 10 years, say, and they're probationary because they just got a new job that they just got promoted. I talked to an employment attorney, Michelle Berkovich, about this. She's working on another effort to reinstate workers.
And the plaintiff's attorneys in the case say the firings have made Swiss cheese of some of these agencies.
And the plaintiff's attorneys in the case say the firings have made Swiss cheese of some of these agencies.
And the plaintiff's attorneys in the case say the firings have made Swiss cheese of some of these agencies.
Well, the judge in the San Francisco case said immediately. Berkovich is saying, don't count on this. The government's been dragging its feet with some of these orders. She's telling workers, look, if you're looking for another job or trying some kind of appeal, just keep doing that.
Well, the judge in the San Francisco case said immediately. Berkovich is saying, don't count on this. The government's been dragging its feet with some of these orders. She's telling workers, look, if you're looking for another job or trying some kind of appeal, just keep doing that.
Well, the judge in the San Francisco case said immediately. Berkovich is saying, don't count on this. The government's been dragging its feet with some of these orders. She's telling workers, look, if you're looking for another job or trying some kind of appeal, just keep doing that.
Thanks, Layla.
Thanks, Layla.
Thanks, Layla.
Hey, Sue.