Chris Cotillo

I don't know.

Yeah, and I think, yeah, there's enough probably going on for catchers that maybe the only thing I'm really drilling home is an understanding of leverage.

If you think it's a ball or a strike, you go for it.

But let's not... The Astros on Tuesday's game were out of challenges in the second inning, and it was all bottom of the order, guys.

Understanding that a little bit.

As you dug into these numbers, and it's early.

The sample size of number of challenges is very large.

But as far as figuring out how all this stuff is going to work goes, we're still pretty early on.

Do you have a sense yet of...

where the line is for how aggressive catchers should be.

When you dug into these numbers, did you come away thinking, okay, catchers aren't being aggressive enough?

Because I look at the Blue Jays numbers, and StatCast has this percentage of reasonable challenges that you actually challenge, and the Jays are pretty on the low end.

The numbers suggest maybe they aren't challenging enough.

Is it too early for kind of learnings like that?

Yeah.

And I think that makes sense.

And I actually I talked to John Axford earlier in the week about like as a leverage reliever where he spent his career, you'd be pretty ticked off if you didn't have any challenges left and you come into like a tight situation where maybe you'd want one there.

So that pushes even a little further to don't use them if you're on the hitter side.

Let's stay on catchers.

Alejandro Kirk is back for the Blue Jays.