Chris Duffy

And then, of course, now you're a journalist.

So you've kind of been on both sides where you work for yourself in a more creative way and trying to cobble things together.

And then you've also been one where you're very much interacting with the general public.

Yeah.

Across the board.

The title of your book kind of says it all, right?

Work Won't Love You Back.

Can you tell us about how you arrived at that conclusion and why it's important to realize that?

When I think about it in my own personal life, I often think that like school is such a clear system, right?

Like whether it works or not for you, it's like we are doing work on this topic and there will be a test on this day.

And if you get enough of the questions right, you get this quote unquote good grade.

And it feels like one of the really important pieces of the conversation that you talked

have started with Work Won't Love You Back is that maybe the approval and the sense of worth should actually not be coming from the place that is paying you money.

I think it's really hard if you're doing work that is like, like you said, a nurse or you're working at a nonprofit that's fighting to clean up the environment or you are working on cancer research, right?

Like these things where it's like you are doing something that is so important.

Yeah.

And I'm sure it is extremely meaningful.

Right.

Maybe having a little bit more of a sense of like we can be agitating for a better world and we can push for better conditions rather than just thinking like, well, I have to take it as it is because this is the dream job or whatever.

I think that's a really different way of thinking about work than many of us have.