Chris Duffy

But before that, she worked a whole slew of other jobs.

And here is a clip where Sarah gives me a brief glance at some of the other items on her resume.

From random odd jobs to dream jobs, Sarah argues that no matter what we're doing, we need to re-evaluate our relationship to work and to make sure that we don't give all of ourselves away.

In her latest book, From the Ashes, Grief and Revolution in a World on Fire, Sarah takes that idea and she goes even further, weaving her own personal story of grief after losing her father with the broader societal grief at job losses and the pandemic and the climate crisis.

In both of her books, Sarah is exploring how our humanity is so often limited by the very narrow confines of the work that we can do that makes money.

These are big topics.

This is weighty and challenging stuff.

And I'm so glad that Sarah is here with us today to talk through it.

So let's start by talking about your book, Work Won't Love You Back.

You've done a lot of jobs.

You've done a lot of jobs that are service jobs and that are looking at people.

And then, of course, now you're a journalist.

So you've kind of been on both sides where you work for yourself in a more creative way and trying to cobble things together.

And then you've also been one where you're very much interacting with the general public.

Yeah.

Across the board.

The title of your book kind of says it all, right?

Work Won't Love You Back.

Can you tell us about how you arrived at that conclusion and why it's important to realize that?

When I think about it in my own personal life, I often think that like school is such a clear system, right?