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And from PRX, Jocelyn Gonzalez and Sandra Lopez-Monsalve, who both took my number out of their cell phones and put it into an old phone that is glued to their desks.

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You're listening to How to Be a Better Human.

I am your host, Chris Duffy, and I love my job.

I feel so lucky that I get to host this show and have conversations with incredible, interesting people about their ideas.

And yet there's this weird thing for me and honestly, for almost everyone else I know, where if you have a job that you like, that's rewarding and meaningful, you feel compelled to give it all of yourself to organize your life around the work rather than the work around your life.

But we're worth more than just the parts of us that can make money.

That's true whether you have a job you love or a job that you despise.

Today's guest, Sarah Jaffe, is a writer who has been exploring this complicated nature of work and life and self and identity for years.

She struck a real chord with people across the globe when she wrote the book Work Won't Love You Back.

How devotion to our jobs keeps us exploited, exhausted and alone.

Sarah is currently a writer and a journalist.

Her dream job.

She's doing it.