Chris Duffy

All of this, to me, brings up when I think about my own life, how do I even start finding someone to have these depolarizing conversations with?

Because it feels like I am definitely in a self-selected bubble of I try to not, because I've put such moral judgments on my politics, I have felt like, well, I don't want to associate with someone who is immoral.

So how do you start to find someone who is that shorter bridge?

What would you recommend as a step to take?

You talk about this hypothetical conversation meter that has five dials that you can turn up or down and that you should think about when you're having conversations.

So can you tell us what those dials on your conversation meter are and how to think about which ones we want to be turned up and down when we're having a conversation across the divide?

I think containment is such an interesting one because these days it does feel like even non-public figures have a real fear about what will other people think when they hear this conversation.

Obviously on social media, it is hard to have a nuanced conversation because other people keep jumping in and they're trying to come in and dunk on someone.

So how do you make it feel safer for a person to talk to you about an idea that's different?

You know, we've talked a lot about your book and about these conversations, but we haven't talked a ton about the fact that you are a journalist and that you use this in your work.

So I wonder how you think about your role as a journalist in affects the ideas about supporting, trying to have better conversations and how you implement that.

The show's called How to Be a Better Human.

What is one thing that you are personally working on to be a better human right now?

Well, Monica Guzman, thank you so much for being here.

It has been a pleasure to talk to you and your book.

I never thought of it that way.

I absolutely love it.

Thank you so much, Monica.

It was really a pleasure.

That is our show for today.