Chris Duffy

I feel like it's a strong one.

But I think that so much of what makes it strong is also that we both get pieces of what we need emotional fulfillment from outside of the marriage that we have friends.

Right.

Like.

I am a comedian.

I need like silliness and goofiness and total like someone who could just do bits.

And I also don't want to be married to that person.

It's really helpful for me to have friends who I can go and be like, we're going to spend an hour and a half just talking in accents and it's going to be totally hilarious and bonkers.

But then I like that I go home and it's like.

I can have a real conversation and she's not also like, hello, like I don't want that at night.

And then a more serious piece for me is my wife and I do different things.

And so it's really helpful to me to have friends who I can have serious, long ranging conversations about career goals who really totally get it.

And then I'm not frustrated when she doesn't totally understand all the ins and outs of exactly what my career is.

And I know it's the same for her.

She gets plenty of pieces fulfilled by people who are not me.

But sometimes that feels weird.

I think your book clarified for me that like there is this very real kind of stigma to getting that from a friend, to having a super close friendship when you're in a romantic relationship.

If you'll indulge me to like read to you from your own book, I thought this was really kind of profound.

It's like the final paragraph of the book.

You said experiencing a friendship like Andrew and Tali's or witnessing one can sharpen our vision, allowing us to notice the trellis, as Art and Nick put it, that had been directing our path all along.