Chris Duffy

And here's a clip about his love for that place in particular.

Dude, we are going to freak you out a lot over the course of this episode.

But first, we're going to take a short break.

Don't go anywhere.

Today, we're talking about the fight to save our planet with the environmentalist and author Bill McKibben.

Let's start with your personal interest in environmentalism.

Can you give me your backstory of how you first came to see this as the issue that you wanted to spend your life working on?

You have such a unique perspective on this because, like you said, you were really one of the first people to bring this into the popular consciousness.

And so you've now seen it be widely accepted.

People across the world are understanding that this is the existential issue of our times, right?

And yet, as you've written about in another book, there hasn't been nearly the kind of change that you would have hoped for or that we would think when people accepted that this is the reality that we would make.

So this is where I sometimes struggle as a person, an individual, is it is such a huge issue.

And it's been pushed on one side by the fossil fuel industry.

And they've made giant systemic efforts to stop change from happening.

Right.

But also one of the more devious things, in my opinion, that they've done is to make it seem as though the solution is each individual person trying to do it all by themselves.

Right.

That it's like, well, if I turn my heat down a little bit and if I switch my car, then that'll solve it all.

Right.

In reality, it also requires huge changes to our economy and to political processes.