Chris Duffy

What role does that play in maintaining hope and the ability to keep this fight up over the decades that you've been doing it?

I think it's really important to acknowledge what you said, that the people who are going to suffer the most from climate change in the short term are the ones who did the least to cause it, right?

That people in countries that have not historically put out these giant carbon emissions are really going to suffer.

And yet in a place like the United States, we have an enormous amount of power right now in many ways.

And one of those ways is to change policy both domestically and globally.

What are the biggest policy issues that you see as things that people who are living in the United States or in Europe should be pushing for?

I certainly can't speak for other countries, but in the United States where you and I both are, I often think that there are

are many more issues that unite people across the political spectrum than divide people.

And certainly there are some very big, important ones that divide people.

But when you think about something like

safe, clean drinking water, when you think about air that is clean and you're able to breathe and it's not filled with wildfire smoke, when you think about natural disasters being minimal and you being able to recover from them and predict them.

These are things that everyone wants, right?

Everyone wants that for their family and for themselves.

They don't want to live in an unpredictable, deadly world where they can't trust nature because it's trying to kill them, essentially.

So

A lot of it comes down, it seems like, to this narrative.

And now it seems like part of the challenge is how do we weave a better, sustainable narrative of what our world is and what our country is that will allow us to actually survive into the next 100 years, 200 years and beyond.

Doesn't that then lead to a real difficulty in making progress, which is that anything short of 100% feels worthless?

It seems like there was this moment during the pandemic where at great cost, we did have a vision of what an entirely different relationship to the economy, to travel, to the climate could be.

And I'm certainly not trying to say that was a good thing.