Chris Duffy

It's just exhausting.

How do we handle like wanting to change this on the one hand and also wanting to recognize the reality that it can make us more successful on the other?

How do we not buy in, but also not burn out?

To me, one of the great parts of young kids is that they also can like call out some kind of profound things.

And so in the book, you describe a conversation that your two oldest daughters had where one of them says, mom says that it's not important to be pretty, that the most important thing is to be clever.

And then your older daughter says, yeah, but that's just because mom's already pretty.

I wonder what your oldest daughter would say if you're like, I'm opting out.

And she's like, yeah, you get to opt out, right?

There's a privilege.

You get to opt out because you're already fit.

We're going to take a quick break, which I'm going to use to try and get into body sensualism.

But we will be right back.

Don't go anywhere.

And we are back.

Let's dig even deeper into like the practical ways that someone's listening to this and they're trying to like get out of the parts of this culture that are unattainable and overwhelming and exhausting.

What would you say are like the three things that someone should start by doing?

But it is also I just think you do have these unique blend of experiences where there's kind of no one else who could tell it in the way that you can't.

You know, you're a tech reporter.

In your teenage life, you worked as a model.

You felt the weirdness of those beauty standards and kind of tried to leave that world.