Chris Duffy

But we also can't quite say that no one should do that.

So where do you land on it?

You know, there's a part where you talk about Squid Game, you talk about Gangnam Style, and you talk about, you know, your amazement that capitalism can absorb critiques of capitalism.

How well capitalism absorbs and profits off of critiques of capitalism.

So the reason I bring that up is because I think that reading your book and thinking about this, so many of the beauty standards and the standards of what we think of as how people are supposed to look are often kind of proxies for beauty.

Right.

Like you talk about how being looking white is often, in your opinion, misinterpreted as a racial or colonial goal in Korea.

And that, in fact, it is much more to do with people wanting to be seen as not having to spend time like outside that they can have the privilege to not be in the fields.

And that's where it started.

Right.

And also, like, can you afford plastic surgery?

Can you afford these under eye creams?

Can you afford the expensive 10 step process?

Maybe one of the ways we can start to critique these exhausting beauty standards is to critique the way in which we think of needing to have money as necessary to being a good person as well.

You know, there's a classic joke that I get all the time.

I wonder if you get.

But when I tell people what I do, they always go, oh, you have a face for radio.

But it does make me think, having had a career in audio, as we both do, how does that play into your thoughts about visual appearance?

Because we both interact with audiences in a way where they don't really see us.

Well, Elise, thank you so much for being on the show.