Chris Duffy

And then the other one is just actually related to the other thing.

It's just some some things that I really value to do every day.

So it's like you're stressed.

OK, here's the five things you need to be trying to think about.

One is laugh hard.

eat well, learn something, go outside, meet someone.

I'm like, if I can do any of those, we're going to have a good day.

Okay, we're going to take a quick break, but we will be right back.

So please choose to keep listening.

And we are back.

I wonder if a part of this relationship with uncertainty that we have, that we struggle with, is because we have an idea in our heads sometimes.

Or let me just make it personal.

I have an idea in my head sometimes that things are supposed to be easy.

And that if they're not easy, it means that I'm doing something wrong.

So I wonder if you could talk about that part of that relationship with uncertainty.

it feeling wrong, but us needing to live in that to actually get past the scary uncertainty and into the good uncertainty.

I've never heard that before.

What does that mean, unlearning is a precursor to learning new information?

I I'm really interested in that specifically.

I think that idea of intellectual humility and that idea that we maybe don't know everything.