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And we are back with Dr. Jenny Tates.

I'd love to talk about some of the specific practices because, I mean, something that, again, is so fantastic about you and your work is you are so grounded in what can people actually do.

Like, okay, here's an actual practice that you can do.

And your book is genuinely just full of practices for people to do.

Yes.

One of them is you talk about how you had a patient who you described her the difference between framing something as I need to calm down versus I need to get excited and how the exact same moment could be a calm down or get excited moment, depending on how you looked at it.

Can you talk a little bit about that?

You know, that idea of appraisal and reappraisal, you talked about how even though this is such an important skill and one that can really transform it, it also is a really challenging skill.

And you say, just to read from the book on page nine, you say, "...one of the challenges of reappraisal is applying it to different situations.

While participants in studies can actively rethink their stress responses in specific situations, like taking a test or giving a talk, they are not necessarily able to do the same when it comes to navigating a difficult relationship or worrying about a health issue."

And then you talk about how that is actually like a transfer problem.

I find that so much in my own life.

Like I am so, you know, people get really stressed about public speaking.

I love to speak public.

And some of that is just natural inclination.

But some of it is like as I'm about to go out on stage, I like jump up and down.