Chris Duffy

But also one of the more devious things, in my opinion, that they've done is to make it seem as though the solution is each individual person trying to do it all by themselves.

Right.

That it's like, well, if I turn my heat down a little bit and if I switch my car, then that'll solve it all.

Right.

In reality, it also requires huge changes to our economy and to political processes.

This is the thing I struggle with is I know that it's not something that's in my personal power, and yet I don't want to do nothing, of course.

So how do I keep the focus on the systemic part while also not feeling like it's all on me, but not feeling there's nothing on me, if that makes sense.

I struggle to even word the question.

I'm sure the people who are listening right now are bought into the idea that this is important, but maybe are feeling a little bit like, okay, so where do I start?

So what are some, let's say three things that someone who's listening can do to plug into that broader social change and actually make a difference?

I love the phrase experienced Americans.

I think that's a great way to put it.

And I also love the idea of sitting in rocking chairs in front of the banks.

Well, that's that's something that I have a question about, too, which is obviously this is the first time we've met.

So I don't know you well, but from what I've read and from even just the few minutes we've been talking now, it's clear that you have a lightheartedness and a sense of humor while still

tackling these really big issues.

What role does that play in maintaining hope and the ability to keep this fight up over the decades that you've been doing it?

I think it's really important to acknowledge what you said, that the people who are going to suffer the most from climate change in the short term are the ones who did the least to cause it, right?

That people in countries that have not historically put out these giant carbon emissions are really going to suffer.

And yet in a place like the United States, we have an enormous amount of power right now in many ways.