Chris Duffy

And I wanted to help him.

So I went in and I was getting my own bagel and I bought another bagel and I went out and I gave it to him.

And he said, truly, genuinely, oh no, another bagel.

And I was kind of like...

you're in front of a store that only sells bagels.

And I'm certainly not trying to put blame on him.

Yeah.

He could do something different.

I think that a parallel situation happens to many people in relationships.

Yes.

Where they're like, I'm out here looking for some sort of food and I just keep getting handed bagels.

And they don't realize that if you moved a hundred feet in either direction...

You might have more options.

You several times in this book quote from Bell Hooks.

And I personally love the way Bell Hooks writes about love.

One of the things that you quote is Bell Hooks saying that most of us are unskilled at love.

Yes.

And the other is about fantasy.

And one of your clients who is maybe being held back by these fantasies of what a relationship should be like versus the reality of the people.

I'm curious to hear about those specific moments, but also maybe just more generally what Bell Hooks' work has meant to you in the work that you do.