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And one of them is, you know, we talked about the stairs, the flip side, the other way of approaching a career that is a framework that I learned from you is this J curve.

The idea that we get somewhere and then we jump and it's kind of, we jump off a cliff.

We go backwards in some ways in our career in terms of like, it doesn't feel like we're making progress.

It feels like we're getting worse.

It maybe feels like we're making less money, but it can lead us to an entirely new place.

So can you talk a little bit about what the J curve is and then a little bit about how that has guided you in your own career decisions?

Well, so, yeah, this is something that I wanted to talk about, because I think a lot of us limit ourselves because we're so worried that we might fail and that that would be actually a terrible thing, as opposed to realizing that that is the path to getting better at anything involves failing over and over and over again.

Well, so yeah, this is something that I wanted to talk about because I think a lot of us limit ourselves because we're so worried about

that we might fail and that that would be actually a terrible thing as opposed to realizing that that is the path to getting better at anything involves failing over and over and over again.

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