Chris Gayomali

I think it's like going to be a weird, wacky experiment.

And, you know, I hope some records are broken because they're working really hard and I've gained a lot of sympathy for the athletes who are taking part in this.

Yeah.

So Aaron is sort of like a protege of Peter Thiel's, very sort of cold and steely.

And when I met with him, I met him with him in some like nondescript apartment building on like the East side of Manhattan, rode up to the top floor, sat at a long table.

I felt like a trap door to some sharks was going to open up under me at any point, just because I was a journalist or am a journalist.

So, you know, coming face to face and meeting him, you know, I was very clear about my intentions.

And like that, I didn't want to write a piece that was, you know, Trump is bad and steroids are bad.

I really wanted to understand why they were attempting to build this thing and how they would even build it.

So, you know.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, in some ways what they're doing is sort of like what we all kind of want to do.

We want to extend our prime years like just a little bit longer.

Um, for them, you know, especially like we talked to a lot of swimmers for, for the podcast and for them, you know, their, their options are somewhat limited after, after they, their swimming careers.

And it's like coaching, maybe like teaching some kids how to float around.

Like, it's like, you know, not a very lucrative post-career endeavor.

And so for them, if they can take some drugs, I feel 10 years younger and extend that window of them being able to compete at a high level for just a little bit more.

It's like,

isn't that what we all kind of want?

Like, don't you just want to feel your best for as long as possible to be able to do what you love doing?