Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Chapter 2: What are the Enhanced Games and how do they differ from the Olympics?
That's what shines through to me in the podcast. I'd love you just to tell our listeners what they can expect when they tune into Superhuman. But what I love about it is You are a 41-year-old. Is that right, 41-year-old? 41, yeah. Got a kid. You do Mai Tai five or six times a week.
You're an athlete who is not a looks maxer per se, but who, I think, frankly, as most people do, when I hear about, oh, my God, if I could just inject myself and feel better and look better and all these things, it's very tempting. Yeah.
You approach it very much from a place of empathy with these athletes who are 30 plus, whose best days as athletes are behind them, who probably never made enough money by any means to retire, but don't have any other real obvious transferable skills. And you kind of, you put yourself, I mean, you're not...
becoming an athlete for the enhanced games, but you kind of imagine yourself into the space of being one, right?
Yeah, yeah. You know, in some ways what they're doing is sort of like what we all kind of want to do. We want to extend our prime years like just a little bit longer. Um, for them, you know, especially like we talked to a lot of swimmers for, for the podcast and for them, you know, their, their options are somewhat limited after, after they, their swimming careers.
And it's like coaching, maybe like teaching some kids how to float around. Like, it's like, you know, not a very lucrative post-career endeavor. And so for them, if they can take some drugs, I feel 10 years younger and extend that window of them being able to compete at a high level for just a little bit more. It's like, isn't that what we all kind of want?
Like, don't you just want to feel your best for as long as possible to be able to do what you love doing? And basically all they've been doing their whole lives, which is train and, you know, rest and show up to these events and try to do their Smash the World records.
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Chapter 3: How does the Enhanced Games plan to handle performance-enhancing drugs?
There's a Ukrainian swimming champion who basically loses his business. He still could be an Olympic athlete and could be a gold medal winning Olympic athlete, but he says, I need $10,000 a month to train properly.
Mm-hmm.
where am I going to get that? And if I could get that or anything could get half of that, I would spend it on my family. So, you know, and then he's applying for grants and I said, we can't give you a grant because you haven't demonstrated performance. And he said, well, I haven't had a chance to compete because I've been in a war zone.
And so he is one of the people who decides to become an enhanced athlete.
Chapter 4: What financial incentives are driving athletes to participate in the Enhanced Games?
And then you mentioned Abu Dhabi. He's with the advanced athlete group at the hotel in Abu Dhabi where the bombs start falling. And he kind of becomes the godfather of the group, being like, guys, hold steady. This is fine, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Andrei, he's a wonderful, wonderful dude. He had to escape from Ukraine during the war. And when the bombs started falling, he was like a very...
serene sort of calming voice among the group and it's an interesting dynamic because they're all competing against each other uh they're all trying to you know win money over the other person but they all are really pushing each other to be better like having uh the coach brett hawk told me that having this caliber of athlete uh in sort of the same practice it's it's unreal.
It's sort of like a just rarefied air in there of excellence. The second best guy is to your left, the third best guy is to your right, and it pushes you to train harder. But when the bombs started falling, Andre was just like, oh yeah, I've been there. He's like, do this, pull out some cash. If you need some, I got some for you. Have your IDs all in one place.
And he was just a real sweetheart to the rest of them.
interesting though i mean you also there's a scene where you go to one of the pools where all of the swimmers are training and you talk to the lifeguard who is a college swimmer who is who is i mean he probably on the college campus is you know basically a looks max god but compared to these guys there's another normie like us yeah and then you say to him he and one of one of the swimmers ben proud english swimmer he's an absolute hero and you say to the lifeguard well
But what do you think about him, you know, doping essentially? And he kind of almost can't really give you an answer, right?
Yeah, yeah. So this lifeguard, I felt bad for him because it's like, you know, I think the metaphor I used in the GQ piece was it was like Frodo minding the Avengers during practice. It's like, yeah, go corral the Hulk over there, buddy. Like, good luck with that. But yeah, Ben Proud was sort of his swimming hero.
And knowing that he was taking drugs and trying to like take new records, he was really sort of not mystified, but just really conflicted about it. I don't think he had like a real conclusion that he could articulate about how he felt about these guys. But I could tell that he was like a little disturbed. Because if you are an athlete, you're told from like day one.
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Chapter 5: What ethical concerns arise from the Enhanced Games and athlete safety?
And, you know, a lot of them are already on enhancements themselves. There's the CEO of it, Maximilian Martin. He's 29, already on testosterone. He feels awesome. He says he sees it as a moral responsibility to him, not only himself, but it functions as also birth control for him and his girlfriend. And he's like a super jacked, very handsome man.
And, you know, they all just want to be the best version of themselves to feel the best, to feel young forever. And that sort of undergirds everything that they're trying to accomplish with this.
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Chapter 6: How do the Enhanced Games aim to normalize the use of performance-enhancing drugs?
Like the dosing is very minimal. They took a lot of learnings from an earlier experiment where they, with a swimmer named James Magnuson, where they actually gave him too many PEDs and he put on like... He claims to have put on like 40 pounds of muscle mass. And, you know, if you're a professional swimmer, being heavier is not necessarily the move.
Instead of becoming a speedboat, he came like an ocean liner. So his times actually suffered for that. But, you know, I think I've grown a lot more sympathetic to the plight of these athletes over the course of reporting it. You know, just like... They're just trying to make it work like like all of us. And this place is giving them a steady, stable job, basically.
And they're treating them very much like a job. Like I'm going to do the best that I can at this trying to go for that gold. But if I don't like if I can get close to who I used to be, that's that's enough for me for for a lot of them.
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Dudes that are like outside of my usual orbit as a Brooklyn-dwelling New York City journalist. One of them collects T-Rex fossils as his hobby, which couldn't be me. But, you know, if I had a billion dollars to spare, why not?
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