Chris Gayomali

Like, good luck with that.

But yeah, Ben Proud was sort of his swimming hero.

And knowing that he was taking drugs and trying to like take new records, he was really sort of not mystified, but just really conflicted about it.

I don't think he had like a real conclusion that he could articulate about how he felt about these guys.

But I could tell that he was like a little disturbed.

Because if you are an athlete, you're told from like day one.

Yeah, that cheating, taking drugs is just a constant source of paranoia and anxiety.

And you could get tested at any moment.

And so that's like really ingrained in all these athletes in a real way.

And so for them to take that leap is kind of a really special and strange thing for a lot of them.

Yes.

You know, so much of this feeds into this idea of longevity, which I know you've covered as well.

Just...

You know, that if we can extend our life and feel better and like if you can be an active person in your 70s, who wouldn't want to do that?

And a question I kept posing to these executives was, doesn't this create sort of a caste system?

Like it's like you have the haves who will have access to PEDs and all these other enhancements that will make you live longer and then people who just won't be able to afford it.

And, you know, it unspiraled all these like crazy ideas.

It's like maybe there's a world where like not getting any enhancements is actually like the en vogue thing among the elites.

And like maybe it's going to become affordable enough that we're all going to be able to take testosterone if we need it by the time we're in our 50s.

So it's interesting to watch this all play out.