Chris Grey

And all around the House of Commons, there were calls to condemn the violence, which he didn't do.

There was fury, wasn't there?

There was fury.

And Starmer, who criticised in all kinds of ways, made, I thought, a very effective rebuttal to him.

And to the extent that I thought at the end of it, even Farage looked slightly almost ashamed, if that is...

Yeah, exactly.

Whether this will come back to bite him.

So there's an element of the kind of corner on sanitaire thing then.

But at the same time, within hours of the two-tier policing accusations being made in relation to that case...

The policing minister, who I believe is called Wendy James, was talking about the need to review police guidelines and so on.

And so sort of implicitly sort of kind of implicitly accepting the analysis.

So the point I'm trying to make here is that I'm actually trying to make three points, which is probably why it's become a bit incoherent.

But so my first point is that the Courant Sanitaire has eroded to the extent that people like Farage and even Rupert Lowe, maybe not Tommy Robinson, have kind of become, you know, got into the mainstream.

And my second point is, but there is still a kind of residue of the Courant Sanitaire, as we could see in the case of the House of Commons.

But my third point is meant to be that it's not just a matter of people like Farage, Low and so on, kind of getting a place in the mainstream.

It's the way in which mainstream politicians have been willing to to kind of accept or adopt or at the very least to sort of say, well, we have to address these legitimate concerns about immigration.

And therefore, in that sense, that in the process of eroding the Cornwall sanitaire, the mainstream itself has become reconstituted in ways that wouldn't have been likely in the past.

Yes.

Well, I mean, a lot of this is just, you know, is misinformation, is the media and so on.

Look, I suppose that if I were devil's advocate, then what I would say and what I think those people would say is, well, maybe it is coming down now, but the point is it is too late because it's been so high in the past already that the numbers are too high.