Chris Hayes

Yes, that's a good point. Yes. There's not the same sense of violation, right? Because in some ways it feels like we're consenting. I think you're right. That muddies it and also gives us a weird feeling of shame and guilt.

Yes, that's a good point. Yes. There's not the same sense of violation, right? Because in some ways it feels like we're consenting. I think you're right. That muddies it and also gives us a weird feeling of shame and guilt.

Yes, that's a good point. Yes. There's not the same sense of violation, right? Because in some ways it feels like we're consenting. I think you're right. That muddies it and also gives us a weird feeling of shame and guilt.

Well, look, here's what unites them, right? It's fundamentally these are people that understand that attention matters more than anything, even at the cost of negative attention. And this is really the key thing to understand, I think, that has really warped our public discourse.

Well, look, here's what unites them, right? It's fundamentally these are people that understand that attention matters more than anything, even at the cost of negative attention. And this is really the key thing to understand, I think, that has really warped our public discourse.

Well, look, here's what unites them, right? It's fundamentally these are people that understand that attention matters more than anything, even at the cost of negative attention. And this is really the key thing to understand, I think, that has really warped our public discourse.

The thing that separates social attention from other more elevated forms of human interaction is that it's necessary but not sufficient. Someone flirting with you across the bar is social attention, pleasant kind. Someone screaming at your face because you're too close to them on the subway is also attention. And that's the weird thing about attention.

The thing that separates social attention from other more elevated forms of human interaction is that it's necessary but not sufficient. Someone flirting with you across the bar is social attention, pleasant kind. Someone screaming at your face because you're too close to them on the subway is also attention. And that's the weird thing about attention.

The thing that separates social attention from other more elevated forms of human interaction is that it's necessary but not sufficient. Someone flirting with you across the bar is social attention, pleasant kind. Someone screaming at your face because you're too close to them on the subway is also attention. And that's the weird thing about attention.

It could be of either valence and everything in between. In a world that increasingly values attention over all else, what you get is you unlock the universe of negative attention and its power. Because if all that matters is attention, then negative attention is just as good as positive attention.

It could be of either valence and everything in between. In a world that increasingly values attention over all else, what you get is you unlock the universe of negative attention and its power. Because if all that matters is attention, then negative attention is just as good as positive attention.

It could be of either valence and everything in between. In a world that increasingly values attention over all else, what you get is you unlock the universe of negative attention and its power. Because if all that matters is attention, then negative attention is just as good as positive attention.

Now, most of us are conditioned to not like negative attention, but there's a certain set of people who either through a sort of So intellectual understanding, sometimes this happens, you'll read interviews with creators who are like, oh, yeah, once I started trolling, I got more views. So like part of it is the algorithms select for negative attention.

Now, most of us are conditioned to not like negative attention, but there's a certain set of people who either through a sort of So intellectual understanding, sometimes this happens, you'll read interviews with creators who are like, oh, yeah, once I started trolling, I got more views. So like part of it is the algorithms select for negative attention.

Now, most of us are conditioned to not like negative attention, but there's a certain set of people who either through a sort of So intellectual understanding, sometimes this happens, you'll read interviews with creators who are like, oh, yeah, once I started trolling, I got more views. So like part of it is the algorithms select for negative attention.

But part of it, I think, is just a deep brokenness in their personality. And I think this is true of both Donald Trump and Elon Musk to seek out negative attention because it's attention. And this creates a kind of troll politics writ large. And I think we're sort of watching, in some ways, the Musk era supplant the Trump era, if that makes sense.

But part of it, I think, is just a deep brokenness in their personality. And I think this is true of both Donald Trump and Elon Musk to seek out negative attention because it's attention. And this creates a kind of troll politics writ large. And I think we're sort of watching, in some ways, the Musk era supplant the Trump era, if that makes sense.

But part of it, I think, is just a deep brokenness in their personality. And I think this is true of both Donald Trump and Elon Musk to seek out negative attention because it's attention. And this creates a kind of troll politics writ large. And I think we're sort of watching, in some ways, the Musk era supplant the Trump era, if that makes sense.

So most politicians, they want positive attention. And if they can't get positive attention, they want no attention. And then underneath that, negative attention, right? So it's like you want people to like you and know your name or you want to stay out of the news, right? And what Trump realizes that, no, it doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative as long as you're getting attention.

So most politicians, they want positive attention. And if they can't get positive attention, they want no attention. And then underneath that, negative attention, right? So it's like you want people to like you and know your name or you want to stay out of the news, right? And what Trump realizes that, no, it doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative as long as you're getting attention.