Chris Hayes

Yeah, I mean, I think, so the first thing I would say is that the cause for optimism, which I have some, is that I feel this is pretty untenable and unsustainable because I think the sense of exhaustion and alienation is so ubiquitous and profound that I don't think it can keep going that way. And actually, I think that there's unbelievable latent energy for something different than what this is.

Yeah, I mean, I think, so the first thing I would say is that the cause for optimism, which I have some, is that I feel this is pretty untenable and unsustainable because I think the sense of exhaustion and alienation is so ubiquitous and profound that I don't think it can keep going that way. And actually, I think that there's unbelievable latent energy for something different than what this is.

Yeah, I mean, I think, so the first thing I would say is that the cause for optimism, which I have some, is that I feel this is pretty untenable and unsustainable because I think the sense of exhaustion and alienation is so ubiquitous and profound that I don't think it can keep going that way. And actually, I think that there's unbelievable latent energy for something different than what this is.

There are ways that attention can still be bought and sold that isn't this particular to the second algorithmic infinite scroll that we're all now trapped in. Right. So I think you are going to see flourishing of alternate means. And you see this, I mean, again, Substack, right? Like the long form newsletter, we're seeing it happen. Like Substack is growing exponentially.

There are ways that attention can still be bought and sold that isn't this particular to the second algorithmic infinite scroll that we're all now trapped in. Right. So I think you are going to see flourishing of alternate means. And you see this, I mean, again, Substack, right? Like the long form newsletter, we're seeing it happen. Like Substack is growing exponentially.

There are ways that attention can still be bought and sold that isn't this particular to the second algorithmic infinite scroll that we're all now trapped in. Right. So I think you are going to see flourishing of alternate means. And you see this, I mean, again, Substack, right? Like the long form newsletter, we're seeing it happen. Like Substack is growing exponentially.

Because people do want to like read long things from people that they think are interesting and not just algorithmic serving of short form video. That's a different model. It's a for profit model, but it's a different model and I think a better one and one that's less extractive and alienating for our attention. You know, vinyl records were completely supplanted by cassette tapes and then CDs.

Because people do want to like read long things from people that they think are interesting and not just algorithmic serving of short form video. That's a different model. It's a for profit model, but it's a different model and I think a better one and one that's less extractive and alienating for our attention. You know, vinyl records were completely supplanted by cassette tapes and then CDs.

Because people do want to like read long things from people that they think are interesting and not just algorithmic serving of short form video. That's a different model. It's a for profit model, but it's a different model and I think a better one and one that's less extractive and alienating for our attention. You know, vinyl records were completely supplanted by cassette tapes and then CDs.

And then starting about 10 years ago, they started growing and they've been growing every year and they've been growing at huge paces. And there's now a thriving vinyl industry. And the reason is that I think when you are streaming music, you have the twitchy short form attention extraction of music. go to the next song or maybe I want something else. When you put on a record, you commit, right?

And then starting about 10 years ago, they started growing and they've been growing every year and they've been growing at huge paces. And there's now a thriving vinyl industry. And the reason is that I think when you are streaming music, you have the twitchy short form attention extraction of music. go to the next song or maybe I want something else. When you put on a record, you commit, right?

And then starting about 10 years ago, they started growing and they've been growing every year and they've been growing at huge paces. And there's now a thriving vinyl industry. And the reason is that I think when you are streaming music, you have the twitchy short form attention extraction of music. go to the next song or maybe I want something else. When you put on a record, you commit, right?

The commitment mechanism is the triumph of the volitional will over the involuntary attention compulsion, right? It's like Odysseus lashing himself to the mast, right? We make a commitment. I'm going to read this email from this sub stacker I subscribe to. I'm going to listen to this album, which I've put on vinyl. These commitment methods, and again, they can be in for-profit contexts, right?

The commitment mechanism is the triumph of the volitional will over the involuntary attention compulsion, right? It's like Odysseus lashing himself to the mast, right? We make a commitment. I'm going to read this email from this sub stacker I subscribe to. I'm going to listen to this album, which I've put on vinyl. These commitment methods, and again, they can be in for-profit contexts, right?

The commitment mechanism is the triumph of the volitional will over the involuntary attention compulsion, right? It's like Odysseus lashing himself to the mast, right? We make a commitment. I'm going to read this email from this sub stacker I subscribe to. I'm going to listen to this album, which I've put on vinyl. These commitment methods, and again, they can be in for-profit contexts, right?

I think we are going to see flourishing and more energy behind that. And the other example I use, because I talked about hunger before, is to think about what's happened with how opposition to the sort of corporate industrial food system the U.S. has worked. So you've had the entire thriving ecosystem and set of businesses built up in opposition to

I think we are going to see flourishing and more energy behind that. And the other example I use, because I talked about hunger before, is to think about what's happened with how opposition to the sort of corporate industrial food system the U.S. has worked. So you've had the entire thriving ecosystem and set of businesses built up in opposition to

I think we are going to see flourishing and more energy behind that. And the other example I use, because I talked about hunger before, is to think about what's happened with how opposition to the sort of corporate industrial food system the U.S. has worked. So you've had the entire thriving ecosystem and set of businesses built up in opposition to

to precisely the forms of extractive and exploitative food capitalism that I think is parallel to attention capitalism. And I think we are going to see that. There are people that market dumb phones now, and I think there's going to be a lot more of them.

to precisely the forms of extractive and exploitative food capitalism that I think is parallel to attention capitalism. And I think we are going to see that. There are people that market dumb phones now, and I think there's going to be a lot more of them.