Chris Hayes

to precisely the forms of extractive and exploitative food capitalism that I think is parallel to attention capitalism. And I think we are going to see that. There are people that market dumb phones now, and I think there's going to be a lot more of them.

I can imagine a world in which in the same way that like a certain kind of parent doesn't feed their kids, you know, fast food, you start to see that more and more. The people kind of just opt out of this entire system to the extent they can.

I can imagine a world in which in the same way that like a certain kind of parent doesn't feed their kids, you know, fast food, you start to see that more and more. The people kind of just opt out of this entire system to the extent they can.

I can imagine a world in which in the same way that like a certain kind of parent doesn't feed their kids, you know, fast food, you start to see that more and more. The people kind of just opt out of this entire system to the extent they can.

Yeah, I do. I do. I think that there's something pretty dark and insidious about how the major platforms particularly are engineering this kind of attention compulsion. And I think we are going to enter an era in which we start regulating attention. Seriously. You're seeing this call, you know, in Australia, they've already banned social media for children under 16.

Yeah, I do. I do. I think that there's something pretty dark and insidious about how the major platforms particularly are engineering this kind of attention compulsion. And I think we are going to enter an era in which we start regulating attention. Seriously. You're seeing this call, you know, in Australia, they've already banned social media for children under 16.

Yeah, I do. I do. I think that there's something pretty dark and insidious about how the major platforms particularly are engineering this kind of attention compulsion. And I think we are going to enter an era in which we start regulating attention. Seriously. You're seeing this call, you know, in Australia, they've already banned social media for children under 16.

You're going to see more and more calls for that. But also I can imagine other ways that we try to regulate it, whether it's hard caps. regulated hard caps on screen time. I mean, that sounds so crazy and kind of un-American, but I don't know. Maybe that's a good idea.

You're going to see more and more calls for that. But also I can imagine other ways that we try to regulate it, whether it's hard caps. regulated hard caps on screen time. I mean, that sounds so crazy and kind of un-American, but I don't know. Maybe that's a good idea.

You're going to see more and more calls for that. But also I can imagine other ways that we try to regulate it, whether it's hard caps. regulated hard caps on screen time. I mean, that sounds so crazy and kind of un-American, but I don't know. Maybe that's a good idea.

That makes me so happy to hear that because this is a book written by a person who genuinely loves the Internet and has loved the Internet most of his adult life. I mean, I'm an early Internet adopter. And what the group chat is doing is it's using technology to connect actual people that know each other. And there's lots of stuff that could happen in group chat that could be.

That makes me so happy to hear that because this is a book written by a person who genuinely loves the Internet and has loved the Internet most of his adult life. I mean, I'm an early Internet adopter. And what the group chat is doing is it's using technology to connect actual people that know each other. And there's lots of stuff that could happen in group chat that could be.

That makes me so happy to hear that because this is a book written by a person who genuinely loves the Internet and has loved the Internet most of his adult life. I mean, I'm an early Internet adopter. And what the group chat is doing is it's using technology to connect actual people that know each other. And there's lots of stuff that could happen in group chat that could be.

messy or bad because humans can be mean or gossipy to each other. But fundamentally, there's not an interposition of some entity trying to monetize it. It's a non-commercial space. It's a technology that's a non-commercial space. It feels like the early non-commercial internet. You just go on with your friends and you make jokes and you share stuff. And that's it.

messy or bad because humans can be mean or gossipy to each other. But fundamentally, there's not an interposition of some entity trying to monetize it. It's a non-commercial space. It's a technology that's a non-commercial space. It feels like the early non-commercial internet. You just go on with your friends and you make jokes and you share stuff. And that's it.

messy or bad because humans can be mean or gossipy to each other. But fundamentally, there's not an interposition of some entity trying to monetize it. It's a non-commercial space. It's a technology that's a non-commercial space. It feels like the early non-commercial internet. You just go on with your friends and you make jokes and you share stuff. And that's it.

No one comes in with a five second ad. No one tries to extract your attention against your will. It's a set of bilateral relationships voluntarily entered to in a space that is non-commercial. And that's the other thing we really need. Like we have physical public spaces that are non-commercial and they are so vital, whether that's schools or libraries or parks.

No one comes in with a five second ad. No one tries to extract your attention against your will. It's a set of bilateral relationships voluntarily entered to in a space that is non-commercial. And that's the other thing we really need. Like we have physical public spaces that are non-commercial and they are so vital, whether that's schools or libraries or parks.

No one comes in with a five second ad. No one tries to extract your attention against your will. It's a set of bilateral relationships voluntarily entered to in a space that is non-commercial. And that's the other thing we really need. Like we have physical public spaces that are non-commercial and they are so vital, whether that's schools or libraries or parks.

Increasingly, the internet is just totally captured by commercial spaces. And it used to be entirely non-commercial and now it's entirely commercial. And those commercial spaces will ultimately further the kind of extractive attention capitalism I'm critiquing. But there are ways to create, and the group chat right now is the chief among them, non-commercial spaces of digital connection.