Chris Hayes

I could not agree more. Even before we get to politics, you know, Thoreau for president. But not Thoreau. I really think this is important, right?

I could not agree more. Even before we get to politics, you know, Thoreau for president. But not Thoreau. I really think this is important, right?

I think it's a keen insight. I agree. And what I thought about is like sometimes you'll read historical dispatches from like peak industrial London. Yeah. And people are just being like, this is the most disgusting place that has ever been put on God's earth. Like, it's just sewage and coal ash in the sky.

I think it's a keen insight. I agree. And what I thought about is like sometimes you'll read historical dispatches from like peak industrial London. Yeah. And people are just being like, this is the most disgusting place that has ever been put on God's earth. Like, it's just sewage and coal ash in the sky.

Just satanic mills. Just the sheer stench. And just like, what have we done? How far from God we have fallen in this shit? And they were right. Like, it's... Genuinely, it was genuinely disgusting. And, you know, it did reach a point with all of these things, particularly the worst depredations of the Industrial Revolution, where people had enough.

Just satanic mills. Just the sheer stench. And just like, what have we done? How far from God we have fallen in this shit? And they were right. Like, it's... Genuinely, it was genuinely disgusting. And, you know, it did reach a point with all of these things, particularly the worst depredations of the Industrial Revolution, where people had enough.

And they, you know, having enough represented in a million different political tendencies, cultural movements, manifestations. And in the course of writing this book, I mean, literally from the conceptualization of this book for an essay that I wrote, you know, 2022 to this book coming out now, We've already moved a tremendous amount.

And they, you know, having enough represented in a million different political tendencies, cultural movements, manifestations. And in the course of writing this book, I mean, literally from the conceptualization of this book for an essay that I wrote, you know, 2022 to this book coming out now, We've already moved a tremendous amount.

I mean, when I first started telling people about this book, we're like, huh, attention, huh. And now it's like, right.

I mean, when I first started telling people about this book, we're like, huh, attention, huh. And now it's like, right.

Yes. And I think you and I are pretty disposed to be obsessed with it because the universe in which we operate is like, We're constantly trying to sort of screen information, get the good information, protect our attention, try to think in a way that's productive. But I just think the ubiquity of this, I mean, yes, I think there is an wellspring, an untapped wellspring. Yeah.

Yes. And I think you and I are pretty disposed to be obsessed with it because the universe in which we operate is like, We're constantly trying to sort of screen information, get the good information, protect our attention, try to think in a way that's productive. But I just think the ubiquity of this, I mean, yes, I think there is an wellspring, an untapped wellspring. Yeah.

For a total rebellion against the way it feels to be inside your mind at this particular moment with this particular form of attention capitalism.

For a total rebellion against the way it feels to be inside your mind at this particular moment with this particular form of attention capitalism.

The one thing that I tried really hard in the first term, which I thought was important, and I think I mostly succeeded at, but certainly not always, was modulation. That to me is a central question of modulation. If you turn the dial on the stereo to 10 and leave it there, it will sound like 5 eventually. And then you can't turn it up past 10.

The one thing that I tried really hard in the first term, which I thought was important, and I think I mostly succeeded at, but certainly not always, was modulation. That to me is a central question of modulation. If you turn the dial on the stereo to 10 and leave it there, it will sound like 5 eventually. And then you can't turn it up past 10.

And this was something I was intentional about the first time, but I think even more intentional now. And I think you see some of this, like literally no one's saying anything about Marco Rubio as Secretary of State. Fine. That's fine. Yeah. That's a perfectly, that's fine. I mean, wouldn't be my choice, but I don't get to choose and wouldn't be a Democratic president's choice.

And this was something I was intentional about the first time, but I think even more intentional now. And I think you see some of this, like literally no one's saying anything about Marco Rubio as Secretary of State. Fine. That's fine. Yeah. That's a perfectly, that's fine. I mean, wouldn't be my choice, but I don't get to choose and wouldn't be a Democratic president's choice.

And that's not to say that, like, no one should raise any concerns.

And that's not to say that, like, no one should raise any concerns.