Chris Johns

We know that there are lots of people around the world who are now running global multinational companies or running countries that they weren't born in.

We know that we have people like Rishi Sunak, who I mentioned earlier on, who is British, but his parents weren't.

Immigration produces all these kinds of great people.

Immigrants run our health services and our care homes and staff other important jobs, sectors.

And we talk a lot about the positive things that immigration brings.

And we can also talk about the positive cultural changes that immigrants bring.

You know, our food has changed because of immigration, mostly, I think, for the better.

And we could go on and on and on.

But the zeitgeist here in the UK certainly is we don't like immigrants.

That's why we're voting for reform.

And so as a politician rather than an economist, this is what you've got to try and

deal with, face up to, encounter.

And using the economic logic of the positive benefits of immigration clearly hasn't worked.

So we have to try something different.

When it comes to data centers and AI, if you're threatening the Irish people with missing out on the AI revolution, I think the current mood of people, a lot of people, would be to say, great, to be honest.

and that it's similar isn't it that you can make all the economic arguments for data centers you can make all of the economic arguments for not missing out on the ai revolution but i think the average joe or mary in the street is going to say great i might actually keep my job if ireland misses out on the ai revolution now they might be wrong to say that but that's what they're going to say so as a politician this is what you've got to deal with and i just don't sense that anybody is dealing with it what do you think of that

My follow up for everything I just said is that if he if he was extolling the virtues of data centers, I got a two pronged question.

Did he explain why they are virtuous and was he convincing?

He gets the arguments, you know, maybe he understands the arguments, but does he get them across to ordinary voters?

No, no.