Chris Jones

They're not putting each other under scrutiny.

And then when a player does challenge another, we're going, oh, he's a bit too harsh on him.

Actually going to speak to Finn Smith in the next few minutes.

He's coming in with the Stade Jean-Bouin in West Paris, where England are doing their media.

So we're going to speak to Finn Smith for the Rugby Weekly podcast.

So we'll get his take, but I'd be very surprised if he says anything.

But look,

I've got no problem.

It's rugby.

Like these guys are absolutely emptying themselves.

They're putting their body on the line.

We're asking them to go to the world physically.

And then if someone shouts, I don't know, I think there are people listening to us who have played dog and duck 15 rugby when everyone's screaming at each other on the pitch.

So yes, I think I told you in an ideal world would have kept his cool a little bit better, but we know the team is under the pump and these kinds of things probably happen when you are.

And equally, as you say, it all contributes to the picture of a team feeling it, doesn't it?

Yeah, and that's the kind of leadership, you know, the...

The 0-3 team, they weren't best mates, but they called each other out kind of thing.

And that's, you know, the 0-3 players got into camp with England, this Six Nations.

And it's always a, they're there as that kind of counterpoint, aren't they?

Or that reference point through history of this is what they did.