Chris Masterjohn

And one of the important things about being old is that's what makes you able to get cancer.

There are some childhood cancers, but in general, people start getting cancer when they live long enough to not die of heart disease first.

So doing the trial in older people for longer is what allowed you to see that the seed oils seem to be able to cause cancer.

And what the author's conclusion was, was that because the total mortality was just starting to diverge at the eight-year mark, and because they had a plausible reason for it, that the cancer was exploding.

They said, we have ultimately left the question of whether these oils are toxic unresolved.

And the one thing that we need is instead of the previous goal of the trials being five years long, that the trials be done well in excess of eight years.

Okay, so scientists think that they're just like looking at the older insurance and they say, oh, what was the gap in the knowledge that we need to solve next?

Well, I'm telling you, they concluded in 1969 that the gap in the knowledge was we need a trial that's a lot longer than eight years.

And what did we get?

Seven to 12 week trials.

It's kind of like that...

that, who was it, Peter Thiel or someone had a tweet that was like, they promised us flying cars and all we got was 180 characters or something like that, whatever that quote is.

They promised us well in excess of eight year trials was the next thing we needed to study and like 50, 60 years go by and all we've got is these seven week trials and 12 week trials.

Now we also know why seed oils would take a while to have such negative effects.

because it actually takes you four years just for your tissues to start looking like the seed oil you're eating.

Like if you switch from butter and olive oil today and you go on corn oil,

It's going to take four years for your tissues to fully look like the corn oil.

And then once that happens, you've got secondary effects.

So you start getting your vitamin E levels depleted much faster.

But it takes a while for the vitamin E levels to go down in order for other effects, other results of that, like the increased vulnerability to the tissues being destroyed.