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Chris Pedregal

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
308 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

But everything else, especially at the app layer, total explore. When you're in explorer mode, you need to have a certain sensibility there, which is, in my opinion, very product-centric and a certain exploration and depth of thought around what's actually going to be a good product or good for people. And not many investors talk about that or think in a deep way.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

But everything else, especially at the app layer, total explore. When you're in explorer mode, you need to have a certain sensibility there, which is, in my opinion, very product-centric and a certain exploration and depth of thought around what's actually going to be a good product or good for people. And not many investors talk about that or think in a deep way.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

The stuff that stands out from the noise for me, there've been some really good ones, but if I get a cold email and they write a very like specific insight about their usage or like product behavior in the space that they've thought about, maybe Granola gets right or we get wrong. That really makes me pay attention because if something's hot, you just get inundated with messages.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

The stuff that stands out from the noise for me, there've been some really good ones, but if I get a cold email and they write a very like specific insight about their usage or like product behavior in the space that they've thought about, maybe Granola gets right or we get wrong. That really makes me pay attention because if something's hot, you just get inundated with messages.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

My inbox is hard to manage right now. And that's just because AI is exciting right now. It may not be exciting tomorrow. And what at least I want when I partner with an investor is I want a partner I'm going to work with for a very long time. And I want us to agree on an outlook on the world and how we think about a problem.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

My inbox is hard to manage right now. And that's just because AI is exciting right now. It may not be exciting tomorrow. And what at least I want when I partner with an investor is I want a partner I'm going to work with for a very long time. And I want us to agree on an outlook on the world and how we think about a problem.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

All the specific executions, all of that's going to change to an adapting world. But do you have a similar worldview on how you should go out and solve problems? I know that's a very generic answer, but I have that with my investors. I think they're great product thinkers, and I think they can engage at a bunch of different levels, which is a huge unlock.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

All the specific executions, all of that's going to change to an adapting world. But do you have a similar worldview on how you should go out and solve problems? I know that's a very generic answer, but I have that with my investors. I think they're great product thinkers, and I think they can engage at a bunch of different levels, which is a huge unlock.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

Before I started Granola, I was thinking about what I should start. My previous startup was an education, AI education app called Socratic. And everyone was like, oh, why don't you go into education? And I was like, oh, I think there are a whole bunch of reasons why I don't want to start another education company or an education AI company. But I've been playing with GPT-4 voice mode.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

Before I started Granola, I was thinking about what I should start. My previous startup was an education, AI education app called Socratic. And everyone was like, oh, why don't you go into education? And I was like, oh, I think there are a whole bunch of reasons why I don't want to start another education company or an education AI company. But I've been playing with GPT-4 voice mode.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

You know, the one where you can, the Scarlett Johansson voice thing? Yeah. With my kids, you can actually turn the camera on there. And they were playing hide and seek with chat GPT, which is kind of nuts. My kids are five and seven. They were like, hiding behind the table and then peeking out. And she would be like, oh, I can see tutoring is one thing or what's going to help you get good grades.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

You know, the one where you can, the Scarlett Johansson voice thing? Yeah. With my kids, you can actually turn the camera on there. And they were playing hide and seek with chat GPT, which is kind of nuts. My kids are five and seven. They were like, hiding behind the table and then peeking out. And she would be like, oh, I can see tutoring is one thing or what's going to help you get good grades.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

But that interaction was something that caught me off guard. I just haven't seen an interaction like that between a kid and technology. I don't know what the product would be, but there's definitely a there there. And I think the way you design that really matters.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

But that interaction was something that caught me off guard. I just haven't seen an interaction like that between a kid and technology. I don't know what the product would be, but there's definitely a there there. And I think the way you design that really matters.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

The holy grail in ed tech is basically building one-to-one tutoring. There are all these studies that show if you have a one-to-one tutor, the median student actually performs the top five or 10 percentile student. And that's kind of been true in history. A lot of the great people we read about in history books have like Was it like Peter the Great had Aristotle as a tutor?

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

The holy grail in ed tech is basically building one-to-one tutoring. There are all these studies that show if you have a one-to-one tutor, the median student actually performs the top five or 10 percentile student. And that's kind of been true in history. A lot of the great people we read about in history books have like Was it like Peter the Great had Aristotle as a tutor?

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

I mean, of course you're going to do well. That's an unfair advantage. So I think that's like the holy grail. Everyone wants to have a one-on-one tutor. It should be free. It should just be an open source model. It should be free. Everyone should build on top of it. It's just better for everybody. I don't want to build a business there.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

I mean, of course you're going to do well. That's an unfair advantage. So I think that's like the holy grail. Everyone wants to have a one-on-one tutor. It should be free. It should just be an open source model. It should be free. Everyone should build on top of it. It's just better for everybody. I don't want to build a business there.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

The incentives around making money in that space versus I think what we kind of want for society aren't super aligned. And I think you're also going to get competition from the generic assistants. As you were asking before, like what kind of use cases are going to get eaten up by the chat GPTs of the world? And I think most of education will fall under that category.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
Chris Pedregal - Building Granola - [Invest Like the Best, EP.412]

The incentives around making money in that space versus I think what we kind of want for society aren't super aligned. And I think you're also going to get competition from the generic assistants. As you were asking before, like what kind of use cases are going to get eaten up by the chat GPTs of the world? And I think most of education will fall under that category.