Chris Rufo

I think there are, look, frankly, some members of the administration who aren't performing, who should be let go.

Kash Patel, it would be high on my list for that to happen.

But the broader picture that I think we need to understand, and we're kind of dancing around the edges of,

is the relationship between the rights media apparatus and the rights political apparatus.

Look, at their worst, these things are in tension or in contradiction where you have the political apparatus oriented towards power and the media apparatus oriented towards money, monetization, audience, et cetera.

Sometimes those things overlap in a healthy way.

Sometimes they point against each other.

And we're entering a media moment where, and you can see it, I mean, it's just getting bigger and bigger and bigger, where the incentive systems are not overlapping and integrating in a way that advances the public good.

And I'll give you a specific example of what I mean.

My specialty, what I do is I take investigative reporting, I turn it into kind of media campaigns that try to drive public policy.

And I'll tell you, the last...

three to six months have been very difficult relative to say the first three to six months of the administration, precisely because the conspiracy podcasting, the antisemitism podcasting, the kind of general just psychotic or schizo breakdown of the rights media apparatus in many quarters, not of course in these quarters,

Certainly, I think it's possible.

I think there are, look, frankly, some members of the administration who aren't performing, who should be let go.

Kash Patel, it would be high on my list for that to happen.

But the broader picture that I think we need to understand, and we're kind of dancing around the edges of,

is the relationship between the rights media apparatus and the rights political apparatus.

has degraded the ability for the right to be effective.

Look, at their worst, these things are in tension or in contradiction where you have the political apparatus oriented towards power and the media apparatus oriented towards money, monetization, audience, et cetera.

And what happens is that political leaders often respond to and follow media narratives.