Chris Stokel-Walker

Thanks for having me.

Well, it's exceptionally difficult to actually know, Helen, because as we have probably going to get onto a little bit later on, this seems relatively last minute.

But we understand the broad brushstrokes of what this is going to be.

So it's been touted as an Australia Plus approach.

Some of the platforms that have been named as being targeted as part of this ban.

include the likes of YouTube, Instagram, Snapchat, TikTok, a few others as well.

That's the Australia part of this.

The plus side is where the government is claiming this is really revolutionary.

And that, as far as we can tell, seems to encompass two broad areas.

Number one, they're going to be tackling live streaming and gaming services.

And then also they have this element here of a curfew, which is...

Plus borrowed from China, effectively, where actually if it's a certain time of night, you probably won't be allowed to use your phone if you are not of age.

So messaging apps are seen as outside of the purview of this.

That's the one thing that we really do know in detail.

So things like WhatsApp, you will still be able to use.

We don't know.

I'm not certain that they are.

Telegram, obviously, hugely concerning, actually, in terms of all the messaging apps.

that is probably the one in which you wouldn't want your kid to necessarily be on yet there seems to be these odd loopholes that might well be ironed out in the fullness of time by the government it just they they're not necessarily so strong on the detail at this stage yet but i think youtube kids is also not included right so that so it's not that children can't watch youtube anymore but they can only watch the one that has been specially curated for them

Yes, that's correct.