Chris Whipple

I don't mean to name drop here, but I bumped into Walter Isaacson the other day. The great biographer. And we were talking to someone else about this. And Walter said, look, you know what? There's something Chris and I know about this, which is that people like to talk. They want to tell their story. And then Susie Wiles said, I have to take her at her word. I think she really believed that

että Trumpin ensimmäinen loppuprosessi oli todella huono, ja että hän ajatteli, että hän puhuu jostain, joka antaa hänelle hyvän rauhan. Ja minä anoin hänelle hyvän rauhan. Olet tehty. Ongelma on, että taas, kun olet tuossa rauhassa, et tunne hyvää käsitystä, kun luet sen, koska hauska on hauska, kun olet tuossa rauhassa.

Great to be back.

Well, first of all, how rare is it to hear Susie Wiles's voice?

I mean, it's just so unusual, and that's because she has this kind of under-the-radar role in the Trump White House.

My other reaction is, have you ever heard Trump speak about anyone else the way he speaks about Susie Wiles?

She has a kind of magic with him.

It's what Marco Rubio told me is earned trust, quote-unquote.

It's not only because she...

ran his against all odds presidential campaign in 2024, but because she has this unique relationship.

Well, it's Trumpian, isn't it?

I mean, it's the kind of thing that she is accustomed to hearing.

It's part of this magic that she has with Trump.

She takes this stuff in stride.

I mean, any traditional, conventional White House chief of staff would be in the Oval Office 10 minutes after a comment like that saying, seriously, Mr. President, look, let's avoid using that kind of rhetoric.

Susie is inclined to give Trump

a long leash when it comes to all kinds of remarks that would previously be considered beyond the pale by a president.

You know, every once in a while in a reporter's career, lightning strikes, and I really feel this was an example of that.

It began way back in January and lasted for 11 months right up until this week.

I was struck by how remarkably unguarded and candid she was.