Chris Whipple

And Susie Wiles has what none of them had, which is Trump's ear and Trump's trust.

She is, without a doubt, the second most powerful person in the Trump White House other than the president himself.

And given that influence that Susie Wiles has with Trump, which no one else does, it really makes you wonder if

history might be different if she used that influence to tell the president hard truths, to walk into the Oval Office, close the door and say, Mr. President, you cannot or should not go down this road.

We just don't know the answer to that question because by her own admission, she's not doing that.

She's not having those hard conversations.

She admitted to me

She said, you know, other White House former chiefs have told me about these seminal moments when they've gone in and said to the president, you know, this is unconstitutional.

I don't have those, she said.

Well, what if she did?

Maybe Trump would go on his way and be undeterred.

But we don't know because I'm not sure she's tried.

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What she means by that is that Trump, while he doesn't drink, he does have this grandiose personality.

He believes that there's nothing, nothing that he cannot accomplish.

And it's reminiscent of her father when he was drinking.

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