Chris Whipple

She thinks he's doing a terrific job.

She's a J.D.

Vance fan.

She's also a Rubio fan.

But she makes this fascinating distinction between the two of them because I asked her, I said, what about this 180-degree conversion from never Trumpers to Trump acolytes that both Rubio and Vance seem to have made?

And she said about Rubio that his was really principled, that Rubio—

It took him time to get there, but it was a genuine kind of ideological conversion to Trumpism.

But by contrast, she suggested that J.D.

Vance was, well, he was running for the Senate and it was sort of political, quote unquote.

Sort of political was her view of J.D.

Vance's 180 degree about face from someone who once called Trump America's Hitler to being all in.

Yeah, a right-wing absolute zealot, as a matter of fact, I think was the exact quote.

You know what?

That's not necessarily an insult in the Trump White House.

I think that she did have her differences with Russell Vogt early on.

And

There was a memo that the Office of Management and Budget put out.

This was even before a vote was confirmed, but presumably with his blessing that made draconian cuts in grants, federal grants, and was clearly a mistake and was vote getting out over his skis.

And she quietly revoked that memo.

So...