Chris Williamson

Have you had Alex Epstein on?

Do you know him?

No, I don't know him.

Have we had him on?

The moral case for fossil fuels.

Oh, okay.

Interesting dude.

He has like one of the most interesting stats that I learned from him was climate related deaths have decreased by 98% over the last century.

So one of the things that people don't consider when they look at the cost of energy and energy production is that

You need to be able to protect, more people are killed from heat than are killed from cold.

And you need to protect from heat by using energy.

And if you're gonna produce cheap energy, some byproducts are going to be spat out into the atmosphere.

But the impact of the creation of the energy is way more effective at increasing human longevity than the side effect of the energy being made.

Does that make sense?

It seems like that would make sense.

I've had Richard Betts, director of the IPCC Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change on the show, Hannah Ritchie from Our World in Data.

I've really tried to get a good balance on all of this stuff.

But Alex's position in that area, which is it's a very luxury belief to hold, to talk about how green we must be in the West when you have access to...

unlimited energy.

I think a billion people worldwide don't have access to reliable electricity.