Christian Rudder

Exactly. No, it was, you would see...

Exactly. No, it was, you would see...

Right, a clean mind. Yeah. I mean, that might work. Something that gets very hard is when the app tries to do something, tries to change people's behavior. And actually, we got a lot of criticism or commentary, I guess I'd say, about this in the wake of publishing the racial data that we were talking about at the very beginning.

Right, a clean mind. Yeah. I mean, that might work. Something that gets very hard is when the app tries to do something, tries to change people's behavior. And actually, we got a lot of criticism or commentary, I guess I'd say, about this in the wake of publishing the racial data that we were talking about at the very beginning.

And be like, well, why can't you guys do more to make, again, Asian men more attractive to white women or whatever it is, you know? And the fact is, there's very little you can do to like... move people because first of all, they've had whatever, however many years of their life or however many hours scrolling through Instagram, super hard to undo that.

And be like, well, why can't you guys do more to make, again, Asian men more attractive to white women or whatever it is, you know? And the fact is, there's very little you can do to like... move people because first of all, they've had whatever, however many years of their life or however many hours scrolling through Instagram, super hard to undo that.

And also if you don't deliver to people what at least they think they want, they're just going to leave. It's not like you have to use a dating app or Tinder or whatever. You just do something else. And so, like, if you're showing some guy's been on Instagram hardcore and is looking for that look, and you're like, hey, man, check this out. This is better. However you want to frame that.

And also if you don't deliver to people what at least they think they want, they're just going to leave. It's not like you have to use a dating app or Tinder or whatever. You just do something else. And so, like, if you're showing some guy's been on Instagram hardcore and is looking for that look, and you're like, hey, man, check this out. This is better. However you want to frame that.

This is different. Which you may also find attractive. I think you'll really like her. Some people might be up for that kind of thing, but a lot of dudes are just going to be like, with all the girls in here are ugly, I'm out. You know what I mean? And, like, it's hard. It's very hard to... You kind of have to let the users drive what you give them, which can be bad.

This is different. Which you may also find attractive. I think you'll really like her. Some people might be up for that kind of thing, but a lot of dudes are just going to be like, with all the girls in here are ugly, I'm out. You know what I mean? And, like, it's hard. It's very hard to... You kind of have to let the users drive what you give them, which can be bad.

Obviously, you're reinforcing some negative shit that way, right? But otherwise, you just end up with a situation where people are gone.

Obviously, you're reinforcing some negative shit that way, right? But otherwise, you just end up with a situation where people are gone.

Oh, I think that's definitely true.

Oh, I think that's definitely true.

But it's like almost in unpredictable ways. Like I think – I don't know any of the founders of say Twitter or Facebook. But I think if you had asked them in 2006 or whatever, is Facebook going to make people really angry and is it going to become the world's like greatest propaganda tool of all time? Mark Zuckerberg probably would have been like, what are you talking about? I don't want that.

But it's like almost in unpredictable ways. Like I think – I don't know any of the founders of say Twitter or Facebook. But I think if you had asked them in 2006 or whatever, is Facebook going to make people really angry and is it going to become the world's like greatest propaganda tool of all time? Mark Zuckerberg probably would have been like, what are you talking about? I don't want that.

I just want to like have – he probably genuinely wanted friends to meet friends or whatever or make money, you know, and be powerful, which a lot of people are like that. Yeah.

I just want to like have – he probably genuinely wanted friends to meet friends or whatever or make money, you know, and be powerful, which a lot of people are like that. Yeah.

apps definitely change the world so I definitely wouldn't say that they change behavior but there has to be some component of them that is delivering what what those people want yeah they like amplify the crap that you already bring to the table culturally we already are like it's you know don't go anywhere because we got more what now after this

apps definitely change the world so I definitely wouldn't say that they change behavior but there has to be some component of them that is delivering what what those people want yeah they like amplify the crap that you already bring to the table culturally we already are like it's you know don't go anywhere because we got more what now after this