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Also, this isn't unique to America. I don't want to, because, like, England, like, is pretty tough right now. So we're seeing similar things there, too.

Also, this isn't unique to America. I don't want to, because, like, England, like, is pretty tough right now. So we're seeing similar things there, too.

Yeah, I think, Trevor, what you're getting at is that we've always thought all of these things are just a question of willpower. Yeah. Yes, and responsibility. And gee, I think your piece touches on that as well. It's not about, it's not willpower. Like the system is basically working against all of us and some of us are able to resist better than others. And resist some of it, by the way.

Yeah, I think, Trevor, what you're getting at is that we've always thought all of these things are just a question of willpower. Yeah. Yes, and responsibility. And gee, I think your piece touches on that as well. It's not about, it's not willpower. Like the system is basically working against all of us and some of us are able to resist better than others. And resist some of it, by the way.

And some of it, but I think it's caught all of us in a way.

And some of it, but I think it's caught all of us in a way.

Also, I think, Gia, just to hop in, it's like we're talking about a Zen pick so much because people lose weight and we think losing weight is the better thing to do. And now it means that there'll be a class of people that can do that and not have to go through the cruelty of fat phobia. And it's going to be the people with money that can perhaps escape that everyday cruelty.

Also, I think, Gia, just to hop in, it's like we're talking about a Zen pick so much because people lose weight and we think losing weight is the better thing to do. And now it means that there'll be a class of people that can do that and not have to go through the cruelty of fat phobia. And it's going to be the people with money that can perhaps escape that everyday cruelty.

And then the people that don't can't do that.

And then the people that don't can't do that.

Do you know what I mean? You know, not to speak on behalf of fat people or fat women at all, but I think there's such... So little imagery of women that had perhaps Adele's old body or Jennifer Hudson's old body. There was something very comforting for people to see a fat woman who's thriving and have this incredible career.

Do you know what I mean? You know, not to speak on behalf of fat people or fat women at all, but I think there's such... So little imagery of women that had perhaps Adele's old body or Jennifer Hudson's old body. There was something very comforting for people to see a fat woman who's thriving and have this incredible career.

And there's like this disappointment or resentment when that celebrity then changes their body. I speculate some of that.

And there's like this disappointment or resentment when that celebrity then changes their body. I speculate some of that.

I just wanted to throw Tressie in. Oh, definitely. Tressing Macmillan Cottom.

I just wanted to throw Tressie in. Oh, definitely. Tressing Macmillan Cottom.

brilliant sociologist she talks about structural ugliness right this yeah the thing about like how beauty is like this structural concept and like even though you can feel beautiful on an individual level structurally if you are dark skinned fat and right you're seen as ugly and i think what a zen pic is getting at is just like it's this cure to that structural ugliness of weight

brilliant sociologist she talks about structural ugliness right this yeah the thing about like how beauty is like this structural concept and like even though you can feel beautiful on an individual level structurally if you are dark skinned fat and right you're seen as ugly and i think what a zen pic is getting at is just like it's this cure to that structural ugliness of weight

That's interesting. And that's what a lot of thinkers are trying to resist, that, like, why have we made being bigger structurally ugly?

That's interesting. And that's what a lot of thinkers are trying to resist, that, like, why have we made being bigger structurally ugly?