Christiana

So that's like the one side. Okay, so I agree with you, but I think, Gia, you probably understand what I say here. As a woman in those spaces, sometimes it is so hard to disconnect the pursuit of longevity and health for the pursuit of a body that, especially in a city like LA, New York or London, that people won't disapprove of.

So that's like the one side. Okay, so I agree with you, but I think, Gia, you probably understand what I say here. As a woman in those spaces, sometimes it is so hard to disconnect the pursuit of longevity and health for the pursuit of a body that, especially in a city like LA, New York or London, that people won't disapprove of.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And not just make judgments, but express those judgments. Yes. But I think with... fat people, we're very prescriptive.

And not just make judgments, but express those judgments. Yes. But I think with... fat people, we're very prescriptive.

Like, and sometimes it's that- Well, and we see that body as like, this is a sign of a problem. Like, are you sure you want to eat that? Is a thing said to people who are fat or like, I saw a TikTok, a woman was like, being fat and exercising is people on the street going- go you, I'm so proud of you. And she's like, I'm just on a ride. Like, why do you feel this need to like encourage me?

Like, and sometimes it's that- Well, and we see that body as like, this is a sign of a problem. Like, are you sure you want to eat that? Is a thing said to people who are fat or like, I saw a TikTok, a woman was like, being fat and exercising is people on the street going- go you, I'm so proud of you. And she's like, I'm just on a ride. Like, why do you feel this need to like encourage me?

The people trying to be nice, but like what's under that is like, you're someone that should be pitied and needs my encouragement in a way that's kind of infantilizing you. And I think that's the thing about fatphobia. We just feel like we can say anything to people who are fat. And it's often really cruel.

The people trying to be nice, but like what's under that is like, you're someone that should be pitied and needs my encouragement in a way that's kind of infantilizing you. And I think that's the thing about fatphobia. We just feel like we can say anything to people who are fat. And it's often really cruel.

Interesting.

Interesting.

I agree with you. I have a working theory. I think that as there is this kind of anti-wokeness thing happening and people are swinging to the right, I think the obsession with thinness is also an expression of that. And as long as we're in this kind of right-wingish, populist, conservative space,

I agree with you. I have a working theory. I think that as there is this kind of anti-wokeness thing happening and people are swinging to the right, I think the obsession with thinness is also an expression of that. And as long as we're in this kind of right-wingish, populist, conservative space,

era people are going to long to be thin because I think that when people talk about when people like use woke as a slur they'll mention people they'll mention movements they'll mention DEI they'll mention body positivity they'll mention transness all of these things that for a brief moment for about two to seven years were coming into mainstream, almost acceptance. They weren't quite acceptance.

era people are going to long to be thin because I think that when people talk about when people like use woke as a slur they'll mention people they'll mention movements they'll mention DEI they'll mention body positivity they'll mention transness all of these things that for a brief moment for about two to seven years were coming into mainstream, almost acceptance. They weren't quite acceptance.

They were coming into it. And I think that this thin, white, blonde, ideal Barbie movie, guys, it's not a coincidence. It's not a coincidence that like Mattel made an ad and we were like, oh, we should get an Oscar. But it's just like... All of that being ascendant and like the Kardashians, as you say, rejecting like the curvy body. As long as that's the case, people are going to want to be thin.

They were coming into it. And I think that this thin, white, blonde, ideal Barbie movie, guys, it's not a coincidence. It's not a coincidence that like Mattel made an ad and we were like, oh, we should get an Oscar. But it's just like... All of that being ascendant and like the Kardashians, as you say, rejecting like the curvy body. As long as that's the case, people are going to want to be thin.

Damn. And the Kardashians remembering their white. And being white and even dating white men. Something's happening. And then like until it swings and people are like, we don't mind curvy bodies. We don't mind brown skin and full lips and people, the politics feel different. I think the thinness in the Olympic is here to stay.

Damn. And the Kardashians remembering their white. And being white and even dating white men. Something's happening. And then like until it swings and people are like, we don't mind curvy bodies. We don't mind brown skin and full lips and people, the politics feel different. I think the thinness in the Olympic is here to stay.