Christopher Ems
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Got on the plane, got our passports back.
Off we went back to Beijing and then everyone made that, you know, went their own separate ways from there back home.
And that was the conference.
That was the trip in its entirety.
I always say my life changed dramatically in November of 2019.
So I remember it really well.
So at the time I was in my apartment at the time in Malta.
And someone messaged me and goes, didn't you go on that weird North Korea conference?
I was like, yeah, what about it?
Someone went, oh, they just arrested this American guy.
And I looked and it was Virgil.
And I could see from that indictment, I had a very strong suspicion that
that I was one of the people named as one of the co-conspirators.
From that point on, I was like, OK, shit, something's going to go down.