Chuck Bryan

That may be your earliest upshot, by the way.

Oh, is it?

I need to break that record next time then.

Yeah.

I'll say, hey, and welcome to the Upshot.

If you ever go solo, that'd be a great Josh Clark only podcast.

Oh, nice.

The Upshot with Josh Clark.

And if I need to break that, I can say Upshot and Upshot to the Upshot.

Oh.

At any rate, the long and short of what I'm talking about is that our views of optimism and pessimism aren't exactly right, at least as far as psychology is concerned.

And in that sense, it kind of confounds things because I found some of this stuff a little hard to wrap my brain around because my brain's been so primed by pop psychology to think of these things as this when actually we're talking about them like that.

Is that what it was?

Because...

I had the same thing where, like, I spent more time on this than things that were seemingly more difficult to understand.

That's the only explanation I can think of.

It was preconceived notions.

Yeah, I think you're right.

Shall we go back and just talk about the word?

Because I thought that was sort of interesting in itself.