Chuck Bryan

He was in the 90s.

He was the president of the American Psychological Association.

He talked a lot about positive psychology.

But I remember a lot about just PMA, your positive mental attitude and improving your PMA.

And that was just sort of the key to everything, man.

If you can just if you can just get your head right and that PMA right, like everything's going to fall into place for you.

Yeah.

And I mean, I remember thinking Martin Seligman, I thought he came up with positive psychology.

I didn't realize it was an already existing thing.

But that was so pushed and peddled, what you just described around 2008, 2009, that I thought this guy was a total fruit loop.

But then looking into this stuff, his research on optimism and pessimism, I'm like, oh, this actually, this dude's pretty with it.

And I guess maybe being grown up, a little less cynical.

Yeah.

Certainly less cigarette smoky.

Right.

Yeah.

In that kind of hindsight, I'm like, I think there's actually nothing wrong with trying to figure out how to how people can be as happy as possible.

There's a problem with foisting it on people and saying you have to be happy.

There's something wrong with you.

You're not happy.