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Chuck Bryant

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Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

calls together the Washington Special Action Group, which was a task force that was formed in 69 out of Vietnam to deal with like sort of any emergencies like this that came up.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

And it's Henry Kissinger.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

So he's like, we should bomb the barracks.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

Like he wants to flatten the barracks of the guards that attack them and react really strongly and send a, you know, a big message that this will not stand.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

Yeah, I mean, I can kind of understand that impulse.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

He was apparently the only one in the special action group that wanted to respond with a violent action.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

And the reason why was because this is such a flashpoint still today.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

But at this time, I mean, it was like we were still in the middle of the Cold War.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

So to us, not only was this North Korea, this is also China and the USSR right behind them, right?

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

So if you sent a missile into the JSA against the North Koreans, there was a better than even chance probably that you might spark a nuclear war, World War III.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

And luckily, cooler heads prevail.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

But Kissinger had a he was probably a little paranoid, I would guess.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

He was he's very widely reviled, including by me.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

So I'm pretty sure he was at least a little paranoid.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

I mean, he started out in the Nixon administration, for goodness sake.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

But his position was also that this was a provocation by the North to test America's resolve because it was an election year.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

They were trying to interfere with the election to make the point of Gerald Ford's opponent, Jimmy Carter, who was saying, we need to get troops out of Korea.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

We don't have any business being there anymore.

Stuff You Should Know
Operation Paul Bunyan

So Kissinger thought this was North Korea doing this to basically show that the Americans didn't belong here anymore.