Chuck Bryant

So that's, you know, like 40-something years later.

And he described it as an unstable personality and disorganized conception of the self.

And this is just when it was sort of starting to become more and more kind of talked about.

And officially, I think five years after that, was in the DSM version 3.

Yeah.

And isn't there a sort of movement or belief now that it's a lot of people think it's something that it's like a diagnosis you shouldn't even give, right?

Yeah, I mean, it's almost in line with saying someone is a sociopath.

It's different things, but as far as like the stigma goes.

Right.

And we'll talk about the criteria in a second.

But we do want to sort of reintroduce Marsha Linehan, who, like I said, was a real pioneer for her work in the treatment and recognition of BPD.

Very late in her life revealed that she suffered from BPD after, you know, patients and friends encouraged her to come forward.

And she said, basically, you know, I'm going to do it.

I'm not going to die a coward, is what she said.

But for the longest time, was not out with that information.

Was born in Oklahoma in, I guess, the 50s.

And in the 1960s in high school, was diagnosed with schizophrenia, drugged up, given electroshock, hospitalized, was practicing self-harm of all kinds.

And then had, it sounds like a...

not a moment of clarity, but a pretty profound religious experience.

Pretty much.