Chuck Bryant

Yeah.

And it also had a tower.

That's where Koresh's bedroom was.

Yeah, I mean, it was huge, but it was definitely one of those things that was kind of built by hand over many years.

Yeah, for sure.

I think it was a three-hour gun battle, and eventually there was a call from the inside to the outside where David Koresh gets on the phone with an Officer Lynch, and he says he's Officer Lynch, and Koresh says, that's kind of a funny name.

And then he says, this is David Koresh, the Notorious, and he said, what'd you guys do that for?

yeah for sure um we should point out that koresh was wounded in this initial gunfight uh and the the religious imagery was not lost on his followers because he was shot through the wrist and he was shot through the side uh you know those were the wounds jesus suffered on the cross and he was uh he was 33 at this point and i think most people think that's how old jesus was when he was crucified so

they all think this is like, you know, supreme, like religious symbolism happening.

Yeah, sure.

I mean, I know that during the the shootout they called out, but I'm not sure about afterward.

Yeah, and things were going pretty well.

Like, negotiations were going well at first.

I mean, I think forefront in everyone's mind was let's get these kids out of here because they knew there were a lot of children inside.

And so they were trying to get, you know, Koresh to agree to get the kids out.

He said, yep, we can do this two by two, is what he said.

And he said, in return, I want to broadcast –

this hour-long sermon on the Christian Broadcasting Network, and that'll be the swap for the kids.

And so they're working on this.

They're trying to get everybody out, basically, and surrendering.