Chuck Bryant

And eventually you were watching it in real time as it played out.

But it's all over this documentary.

Like Koresh comes to the front door and opens it and says, hey, man, there's a bunch of women and kids in here.

You don't want to you don't want to do this.

kind of quickly shuts the door and goes back in, and all hell breaks loose.

And from the descriptions I saw and just sort of watching it, like re-watching it, I guess, it was a war, like thousands and thousands of rounds being exchanged.

Yeah.

I mean, that's the thing is.

And again, later with the fire, you still get two completely conflicting stories from each side.

Yeah, because on their side, at least this is what they say, they said that the first rounds that they heard, this is the ATF speaking, were from an M60 and a .50 cal rifle.

And those are guns that they didn't have.

And I'm just reminded, didn't they shoot the dogs at Ruby Ridge too?

Yeah.

Yeah, and, you know, they also had the superior ground.

I think one of the guys that was like, you know, when we pulled up on this place, we were all of a sudden a little shaken.

He said it was full of windows.

He said it was the high ground.

And he said this is not the kind of like – like we were immediately at the –

Oh, what do you call it when you're at a disadvantage?

That's the worst.