Chuck Bryant

And there's a lot of speculation that his number two, Steve Schneider, kind of realized he was a fraud and shot him in the head and then killed himself.

But no one knows what bullet ended up in David Koresh's forehead.

Yeah.

And I think that's where all the speculation comes from is like what was going on inside there.

I know one of the guys was like shot in the stomach and asked to be put out of his misery by his own people, which they did.

So, yeah, it's just I mean, I can't imagine what was going on inside that place.

It's horrific to think.

Yeah, once that fire started, it was pretty quick.

I don't know.

Yeah, and the surviving Davidians say that absolutely did not happen, and it was all framed to look that way.

And then the guy comes on right after and says, well, he's a liar.

So it's definitely one of those things where they're both still digging in.

Yeah, it's pretty awful.

And like you mentioned earlier, no one from the government side was brought up on charges or anything.

The FBI and the Clinton administration was cleared of wrongdoing in 2000.

There was a report in 1993 that was.

They didn't say they did it right.

It was a pretty damning report about the ATF raid, and that became like a teaching moment for any new ATF students coming in there, like, hey, look how bad things can go when you really screw things up.

And the one big result from this was it really inspired and galvanized

The militia movement and right wing anti-government radicals like there's there's video footage of Timothy McVeigh there.